Dan,

Provides some great advice and information on the use of GPS. Since GPS or GNSS as it is now becoming known, is a line of sight technology. So anything that obstructs the view between the receiver and satellites will cause issues when trying to locate features with any certainty.  Trimble has introduced their Floodlight technology which helps reduce multipath issues which often occur in wooded or urban canyon areas but it is not perfect. Getting a receiver that receives multiple satellite constellations will help as well. GPS is just one of many. You also have Glonass from Russia, Galileo from the EU and Compass from China. The more satellites you can receive the great chance of a good position. The simple fact is you will not be able to locate all features using GNSS with a high degree of accuracy.

 

In addition to a tap as Dan mentioned, you can also get a laser range finder and perform an offset shot to locate some features in obstructed areas. Most GNSS data collection software will communicate with both the receiver and the laser to make this a fairly simple and accuracy method. If you must get absolute survey accuracy, then you might need to invest in a total station.  You can use your GNSS receiver to set control points and then use the total station to locate features using those control points and a standard traverse.

 

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From: Northeast Arc Users Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dan Martin - NOAA Federal
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:54 PM
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Subject: Re: GPS Strategy for Difficult Environments

 

Andy,

 

GPS is a great technology, but the bottom line is, if you are looking for the best level of accuracy (cm), then you cannot operate in trees (period).  There is no GPS equipment or technology that will allow you to do that.  In an urban canyon, you may be able to operate more efficiently if including GLONASS (provides additional satellites, but multipath (signal reflection off buildings), can and will cause problems that far exceed the cm level.

 

Also, the only way to know what level of accuracy or precision you are getting on any position, is to have an independent occupation to check/average.  The reobservation needs to be at least two hours later (but not the same time the next day).  You could make the case that shots taken in the open are good (maybe true), but any shot taken in a challenging environment definitely needs a check.

 

One alternative to trying to take the shot under the tree, is to use one of the number of offset strategies to create a point that exist within the data collection software.  One that I like quite a bit is the "extend a line" method.  Picture this as a scenario:

 

You want to locate a water shutoff that is under a tree.  You know that the  GPS will be crap, so you take out your 100' or 200' cloth tape.  Spike one end at the water shutoff, then extend the tape out into the open away from the tree and other obstructions.

 

Take a shot anywhere on the tape, walk toward the water shutoff and take another shot at some even foot interval.  Then tell the software to create a point by extending the line that even number of feet.

 

There are a number of different offset methods.

 

My other strategy is  to set control points and use a total station.

 

Hope this helps.

Dan


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On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Andy Smith-Petersen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Friends,

 

We have a goal of shooting 50,000+ services and countless other bits of infrastructure with cm-level accuracy. Our Trimble R8 units normally work well for this task if satellite visibility is good. But in tree cover and urban canyons, or on difficult-to-occupy targets, fixes are difficult and even the estimates of error can be off.

 

What GPS technology or strategy/ies should we be looking at as part of our work process to achieve this goal? What’s worked for you (or tried and failed)?

 

Especially interested in hearing from other utilities on this topic.

 

Thanks,

Andy

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